...I feel really frustrated with the dolphin/whale slaughtering that goes on.
Is there outcry going on over there? Protests? Organizations one could support, or people to write to?
Is there much outcry here?
I mean, some of the whale species who get hunted for "science" are about to go extinct.
I'm not a crazy PETA type, but I am conscious of eating sustainably and humanely. How can I support the efforts in Japan to do the same thing?
(this is brought about by www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin, which I'm having a hard time even watching).
Is there outcry going on over there? Protests? Organizations one could support, or people to write to?
Is there much outcry here?
I mean, some of the whale species who get hunted for "science" are about to go extinct.
I'm not a crazy PETA type, but I am conscious of eating sustainably and humanely. How can I support the efforts in Japan to do the same thing?
(this is brought about by www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin, which I'm having a hard time even watching).
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 7:40 PMlol
Purrversatility, the majority of Japanese do not not engage in protests and the like. Those who do are considered strange. The whole society is geered towards group harmony and not making waves.
Eating whale meat is considered by most Japanese as their right as they have a long history of whaling.
Funny, I Googled to find an organization in Japan that deals with whaling and thought I had found one until I read that they are pro-whaling! How typical...
Anyway, go see for yourself: www.whaling.jp/english/intro.html
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 11:51 AMJust to prove my personal theory that Japan is not an advanced nation, but it's a mental third world, or developing nation if at all, with money, technology and gadgets. When it comes to this topic, asking about whales and dolphins to those who are culturally seasoned Japanese people, you get blank stares.
Shame.
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 1:31 PMas a native Japanese ( sorry for my broken English ) ... I am sorry to say, I did not know about this dolphin slaughtering until very recently ... I am not sure many of Japanese know about the fact ... and ... unfortunately ... I have to say this way ... if there are many enough who cares ...
when I first ( and the last, it was too brutal, I can't watch it again ) accidentally happened to see the video on youtube, I just was froze and still do not know how to comprehend the way those Japanese treat the dolphins ( to death ) ... and this scientific reasons for whaling in Japan ... as if whales mess up the ecosystems in the marine biology, then who are the most and worst contributing messing up the whole ecosystems ? ... humans ! ... I joke about this ( yet seriously ) that "that is why Aliens abduct humans just because humans are not good for this planet.". ... and ... taro-san, I wouldn't use the word "third world" here because there are many who are aware about respecting others and nature much much better in the countries we call third world than Japanese or American or others in the developed countries. ... I mean, I know that you don't really mean to demote " third world " to look lower, just a way of describing. ... yes, many of us are clueless and uneducated about so many things, especially about ourselves how uneducated we are, indeed :-(
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Tue, March 13, 2007 - 1:40 PMWow, I hadn't heard about the dolphins until you guys brought it up. I found a site for it: www.savejapandolphins.org
By the way, all this reminds me of how popular it was in the '80s to film kittens. I heard most of them were dead kittens that they would dress like humans. Also, they made these movies about kittens going on this adventure, and I heard that a whole bunch of them were drowned in order to film this waterfall scene. -
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Mon, July 16, 2007 - 10:56 AMI am a little late coming to this discussion, but I often wondered about the pictures of japanese dressed up kittens. They are very cute but I wondered if the animals were treated humanely. I recently bought a little package of a trading card and a piece of gum. The card has a photo of a kitten dressed up in a japanese school uniform. I really hope that the animals are being treated humanely. How horrible! -
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Fri, July 27, 2007 - 7:27 AMI can't speak for the kittens but those tiny chihuahuas and other small dog breeds are treated very well...too well in my opinion. last week while in Tokyo I kept seeing couples pushing strollers around in the Aoyama area. I assumed they were happy new families. When I peaked into the strollers expecting to see a cute little Japanese baby I saw these big dogs eyes staring back at me. Eeek!
...then there were the dog delis I kept seeing...very fancy shops selling gourmet treats for dogs.
... Roppongi Hell, Omotesandou Hell, Tokyo Midtown...dogs in strollers going to dog delis...yes, it's related.
oh, and the Sanshin Building is history now. Thanks Mitsui-Fudousan and Ishihara. Soon there will be a new mega development to take your dogs in strollers to.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 5:38 PMIt's interesting, if I hadn't been reading this thread for the first time, I could have sworn that it was me who'd written it, that's how closely it resembles the way I think about the topic. Oh, that, and I'm not from Japan orginally....
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Wed, March 14, 2007 - 10:11 PMI'm with you. I love Japan and most of Japanese culture, but the racism, sexism and ecological issues are really troubling - even moreso because most Japanese won't even admit there's even a problem. Sadly, I think really all we can do is place our hopes on the newer generation of Japanese, that they'll move beyond kneejerk cultural defensiveness and make some positive change. -
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Thu, March 15, 2007 - 4:03 PMI call it "shikata ga nai <shrug>" syndrome. They just shrug, grin, shake their heads and move on. That's not a bad thing to do for individual issues, but not for community, nation and global issues.
Japanese don't have any sense of "individual power" or "single person's effect" or whatever we may call it. "Empowerment" doesn't exist, well, nearly none. I myself feel that way, unless someone kicks me in my ass and say, "Don't be a sad puppy! Do somethin'!" ;-o
However, as far as preaching or expressing one's opinion goes, they are getting better with advent of recent technologies such as web, SNS, and blogging. Some has started to speak out, though on the "anonymous" basis. In another words, they get "empowered" as long as the world doesn't find out who spoke out.
Personally, I think this is not just a trait among Japanese. Get ready for Chinese and the rest of Asia, whose population is bigger and collectively more powerful yet it would be like moving a mountain to make any changes there. I think this trait is more Asian than Japan-specific. -
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Thu, March 15, 2007 - 6:56 PMA college professor said that hundreds of years of feudalism, living under the sword, still has psychological effects on the Japanese peoples subconscsious. I don't know if this is true or not but lots of people really don't want to make themselves clear about things in general let alone protest. The newer generation is becoming bolder but at the same time losing direction. I do know many people with positive visions and most of these people are ones who have returned after experiencing other cultures.
Since we are taking pokes at Japan's weak points I would like to mention that Japan never signed the 1980 Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of Child Abduction. This is an international treaty protecting the rights of children, for the children's best interests. Foreign parents have a great disadvantage in receiving any enforcable visitation rights in Japan. Many foreign parents(mostly Father's) have come home from work to find their children gone. I mean this is really a problem!
A disgruntled wife has the option to disappear through the loose slipknots within the Japanese laws.
That sacred bond is not protected. Even in most Japanese divorce cases one parent is just usually expected to 'disappear'.
The poor children's rights are nil.
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Sun, March 18, 2007 - 9:56 PMSpeaking of "shikata ga nai" syndrome, I just read this book called Shutting Out the Sun, which talks about a lot of the problems that Japanese society is facing today. Have any of you read it? It talks a lot about hikikomoris. Just about everything we've been talking about in here has also been brought up in this book. The author also compares Japanese society with Korean society, and the differences are quite striking. So I wonder if it's not necessarily an Asian trait, but rather, a Confucian trait. Going along with this theory then, Asian countries whose value systems are based on Christianity or Islam probably differ a lot from countries like China and Japan. Anyway, I don't agree with everything the author says, as he seems to place too much emphasis on religious values, but all in all it's a good read so I would recommend it.
www.shuttingoutthesun.com
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 3:17 PMThis is a heart breaking issue. I've read of fathers spending years and thousands of dollars navigating the Japanese family court system only to ultimately fail at gaining access to their children.
Part of this is a bias against foreigners but another factor is cultural. In a divorce, it's common for one parent (usually the mother but not always) to get custody of the children and the father will cut the ties with his own children. Former prime minister Koizumi did this with his ex wife and I think to this day has not seen one of his grown adult sons.
This is changing though. I'm very fortunate to have a good relationship with my Japanese ex wife and we have a mutually respectful and supportive relationship raising our daughter in two countries.
"Since we are taking pokes at Japan's weak points I would like to mention that Japan never signed the 1980 Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of Child Abduction. This is an international treaty protecting the rights of children, for the children's best interests. Foreign parents have a great disadvantage in receiving any enforcable visitation rights in Japan. Many foreign parents(mostly Father's) have come home from work to find their children gone. I mean this is really a problem!
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 4:20 PMI. is very fortunate.
I am one of the heartbroken. The system !SUCKS! to say the least.
It would be hard to find a Father that was closer to his kids & now I havn't seen them for over 2 years.
Koizumi actually took custody of both his infant son's and has never let them see their Mother again. It was in the agreement for them to finally see their Mother when they reached 16 but they never did. The 3rd son was born after the divorce and Koizumi has never met him. When Koizumi's Mother(boy's Grandmother) died the boy tried to go to meet his Father and was refused.
Although custody is usually given to the Mother it actually seems to depend on who takes the initiative. Any court ruling given about visitation rights can be ignored and there is no legal way to enforce them.
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 5:57 PMJeez, I never knew about this...
Come to think of it, I guess my father experienced it. My Japanese family is a really odd case. My father was the child of his biological mother's 2nd marriage, but he was adopted by her sister and her husband. When he got older and found out about it, I heard he went to pay a visit to his biological father and I believe a fight ensued. His biological father was some gambling dude and I think my father wanted some money or something. Anyway, his biological mother eventually got married three times. This was back in the the day, so it must have been very unusual. But I heard she was quite the "modern woman," as she was Miss Kyoto in the '20s or '30s. It would be cool if I could find a picture of her from back then.
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 7:19 PMdb, I'm very sorry to hear about your situation. I can't imagine how heart-broken I would be if I couldn't see my daughter.
I'm sure you have people to give you advice and to support you but if there's anything I can offer in the way information/advice please feel free to PM me. You're probably already aware of crc Japan but in case you aren't here's a resource for you: www.crcjapan.com.
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 8:49 PMI think, as the college professor sees, Japanese still have the spirit of Samurai. samurai means who serve. Japanese are to serve ... to companies and country, our collective ( islander ) consciousness is still strong, we do not know exactly who or what we follow yet we follow the majority and that is how we Japanese believe to create peace. there are so much frustration and stress, or oppression, suppression and depression, which are the obvious issues yet no one speak up. family and individual needs are not priority at all so that children's rights and needs are even worse, "neglected".
"Hikikomori", bullying, suicide are just common issues among children. as I remember my childhood, I was depressed but did not even know I was depressed but my father just had dismissed and told me I was just lazy. depression was considered as insane and considered to be sent to a mental institute at that time. even wearing glasses and dental braces were the target for bullies, those children were ( are ) unhappy and simply try to find any excuses for them to release their frustration. parents are too busy to serve the society and country's economy and development, ( and to follow the systems ) children are just sent to school and special classes after school for more learning, "let them take care of our children" mentality. children grow up either to serve others or drop out. many younger generations now a day are repelling the systems in Japan without any guidance either in extravert ways or introvert ways. I was so shocked when I saw the movie Nobody Knows ( www.ericdsnider.com/movies/nobody-knows/ ) I hear that was based on the truth and I could easily see that can happen anywhere in Japan just because children's rights and needs are not priority at all. I still hear this news that a mother leave a child inside a car in summer time and to go have fun and the child dies by the heat inside a car ( which I have been hearing for more than 20 years ? ) or left a 2-3 year old child at home alone and went for skiing ( or something ) that the house caught fire and the child died there alone. mothers ( women ) are still oppressed in society ( although it's been getting better ) that they also search for some fun. ... such circumstances ... who could care about dolphins ? if they can even not care their own children ? ( sorry, it is a bit much strong opinion. hope it is not taken as a whole truth of Japan but as a part for sure. )
divorce, single parents, and international marriage are still new to Japan's history. Japan is still the country whose health minister ignorantly referred women as baby making machines. ( quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news ) Japan has so much to learn and to catch up.
db, I am very very sorry to have been hearing about your separation from your children. I do not know exactly what yet, but I am also willing to contribute my time and energy to do something about the children's rights and needs in Japan, ... not intending to blame Japanese and society but to encourage to create more supportive systems. there are the Japanese who are really really careless but there are also the Japanese who are still caring and considerate that I won't give up the hope. ... it is so nice and heartwarming to find someone like i. who is so supportive to you here.
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 10:04 PMGood point. It takes so much energy just to make it through life that no one has any energy left to worry about the dolphins.
It's so bizarre that despite Japan being such a properous country, no one there seems to have any time to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Which begs the question, what's the point in living then?
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Sat, June 16, 2007 - 11:20 PMI haven't heard about the dolphins but I've heard about the sharks. While I was in Japan, I actually did not come around dolphin, whale, or shark. As for protest... Japan is a very peaceful place that has culture. There are a lot of cultures that whale. If it was for food and all consumed or used... -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:19 AMI too am bummed out about the whaling issue.. If you've ever been around whales.. They are amazing creatures.. To kill them for supposed " science ".. I don't believe them.. And to kill that many....Not cool...
Also has anyone seen Bjork's art movie... Restraint 9 I've only seen the previews.. But it looks like it's filmed on a Japanese Whaling vessel... I'm not sure if it's pro or Anti whaling. But it looks pretty gross.... -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:05 PMyes!
and they have a art/photography book published, along with the accompanying music media.
from what i saw, i did not get a sense of for- or anti-whaling in a straightforward manner. however, knowing where Bjork's stance on various issues in general, i think it was anti-whaling - your comment that "it looks pretty gross" is precisely the point, but that's my take on that.
unfortunately, the exposure of this material (film, book, sounds) and the implications of the project is not widespread, from what i could see. it's rather limited to intellectuals, contemporary art aficionados, visual art lovers, and so on. the exposure is much less than Bjork's music output, that's for sure.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:32 PMA huge issue in the whaling problem in Japan is, that as some mentioned already, most Japanese are not aware nor care enough. What has happened though because of recent attacks by foreign countries, is that many that didn't care now do. But not in the way you would think.
They are offended that outside countries are trying to dictate a part of Japanese culture. As in how about you mind your own business?Reactions such as: "Do we complain about you hunting deer and other animals with guns for leisure?" "Do we complain about you consuming so much calf?" etc etc. Although I'm vehemently against Japan slaughtering whales/dolphins, these are valid arguments.
The reason whaling continues is not because of science or food, it simply comes from the fact that the business is a very old school form of money making for the rural yakuza. They pretty much run the show, especially in rural fishing villages.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:35 PMi agree, including the yakuza part. i think that's one element that has been hindering the mental progress and awareness among Japanese. come to think of it, they also run the show among the corporate media, so it all makes sense. that's the part only few non-Japanese people know or understand. the wrong target indeed.
i know a little bit about "alternative scenes" in Japan, where people who "care" about global warming, environment, recycling, and other issues and future visions. the topic of whaling is mysteriously missing in those scenes. i found it odd.
at this point, i don't know what Japanese care, in general, to be honest with you. however, i sense that, whatever they care or are concerned about is of extremely short term.
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